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the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck hagel, a nightmare, by the way, whose flashbacks must haunt still the heart still of john sydney mccain. both are msnbc analysts. both of you, sir, and lady, are younger than me, but i must tell you i'm absolutely convinced we're watching a flashback. watch this. he did a long angry windup before he launched into his first so-called question which was really an indictment. it included putdowns as well as references to vietnam. let's listen. >> in january of 2007 in a rather bizarre exchange with secretary rice in the foreign relations co
the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck...
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here is chuck hagel in vietnam back in '68 when he went in. he was an enlisted soldier and rose to sergeant. a noncommissioned officer with the infantry, a grunt as they used to say in vietnam. this is navy pilot john mccain with his squadron in 1965 before he was captured. hagel made reference to the vantage point an enlisted man has in war. >> i saw it from the bottom. i saw what happens. i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice, because there will be sacrifice. in the surge case in iraq, we lost almost 1,200 dead americans during that surge and thousands of wounded. now, was it required? was it necessary? senator mccain has his own opinion on that shared by others. i'm not sure. i'm not that certain that it was required. >> you know, the horror of vietnam, where i wasn't -- i always point that out -- the guys who were, into the jungle, fighting an enemy you couldn't see. there were no p.o.w.s in the jungle wars. they didn't t
here is chuck hagel in vietnam back in '68 when he went in. he was an enlisted soldier and rose to sergeant. a noncommissioned officer with the infantry, a grunt as they used to say in vietnam. this is navy pilot john mccain with his squadron in 1965 before he was captured. hagel made reference to the vantage point an enlisted man has in war. >> i saw it from the bottom. i saw what happens. i saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. so i did question a surge. i always...
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chuck hagel did that as a sergeant in vietnam. if confirmed, chuck hagel will do it again. this time not before a platoon but before every man and woman and their families in the armed services, you will lead them, and they will know in their hearts, we have one of our own. you're on your own. good luck. \[laughter] >> well, we thank you both, senator warner, senator nunn, for your powerful introductions. i just wish every member of the senate, every american could have heard, and i hope will hear and read about what you said here today about chuck hagel. and i also notice there's another former senator who is a member of that band of brothers who is with us today. i just noticed in the audience max cleland is here and i want to welcome you, max, an old friend of the committee and of the senate and of the nation. so let me now call on senator hagel, and senator warner, senator nunn, again, thank you for your introductions and you are free to get back to your lives or to stay as you wish. >> thank you. >> senator hagel. >> thank you, chairman levin, ranking member inhofe and
chuck hagel did that as a sergeant in vietnam. if confirmed, chuck hagel will do it again. this time not before a platoon but before every man and woman and their families in the armed services, you will lead them, and they will know in their hearts, we have one of our own. you're on your own. good luck. \[laughter] >> well, we thank you both, senator warner, senator nunn, for your powerful introductions. i just wish every member of the senate, every american could have heard, and i hope...
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chuck hagel was not going to give it to him. >> john mccain is not the issue, it is chuck hagel. his problem is not some tax, it is knowledge, elementary knowledge. he spoke about the government of iran as illegitimate the elected government. we know that the revolution of 2009 was part by the fact that it was a rigged election, an illegitimate economy. the clip i wanted you to show was the one in which he said, he was asked about the policy of containment. it was not a bad during issue. he says, yes, i support the administration's policy of containment. he then gets a note that says, i have been told that i made a mistake. of course i am not in support of that. a policy of this administration on containment is that it does not have a policy of containment. at which point democratic senator levin had to rescue him and said, in fact, the administration has a policy of containment, and it is to oppose it. he was clueless. >> colby? >> he was in the position where he had to dodge a little bit. let's go back to the exchange with senator mccain on the surge. the issue was never the su
chuck hagel was not going to give it to him. >> john mccain is not the issue, it is chuck hagel. his problem is not some tax, it is knowledge, elementary knowledge. he spoke about the government of iran as illegitimate the elected government. we know that the revolution of 2009 was part by the fact that it was a rigged election, an illegitimate economy. the clip i wanted you to show was the one in which he said, he was asked about the policy of containment. it was not a bad during issue....
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i will only say this -- senator heitkamp, congressman chaffetz, after chuck hagel's performance you have a hard road ahead of you. ladies and gentlemen, heidi heitkamp. >> general garrett -- major. really original. thank you for that long and lengthy and extraordinarily gracious introduction. [laughter] i am so pleased to be here tonight, although i am not quite sure how i ended up being one of your speakers. other than bad staff work. [laughter] that is probably the 16th lie politicians tell. i did not know what the heck this was when i said yes, so i only have myself to blame for the discomfort i have experienced the last couple hours. like most politicians, i am no stranger to a microphone and. in fact, we fight over microphones if you are a politician. during my tenure as attorney general i spoke to my daughter's second grade class. my daughter did not introduce me as the crime-fighting attorney general. she did not introduce me as the protector of senior citizens. she did not introduce me as the job creator that i was. in fact, she ignored all of the talking points i gave her. [laug
i will only say this -- senator heitkamp, congressman chaffetz, after chuck hagel's performance you have a hard road ahead of you. ladies and gentlemen, heidi heitkamp. >> general garrett -- major. really original. thank you for that long and lengthy and extraordinarily gracious introduction. [laughter] i am so pleased to be here tonight, although i am not quite sure how i ended up being one of your speakers. other than bad staff work. [laughter] that is probably the 16th lie politicians...
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and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening six years, you would think we had 150,000 troops parked right now in iraq. this next defense secretary is not going to deal with iraq and the surge. this was a vanity thing for john mccain to try to prove to a former friend who disagreed with him that he was right on the surge and that chuck hagel was wrong. >> what should hagel have said? what would you have told him to say? >> i think he said correctly, we're going to let history judge iraq, because frankly chuck hagel could have said, senator mccain, i think i might have been wrong on iraq. were you wrong on iraq? here's the question.
and chuck hagel. and you can not compare the first two to chuck hagel. after i watched the hearing, i remembered the lyrics to a country song. you mean i shaved my legs for this? you mean we're having this huge fight over this guy who cannot even articulate our policy towards iran? >> robert? >> let's be clear. >> this performance was not good. >> two things. i want to go about something that ana just said. if you turned on cspan and hadn't watched tv in the intervening...
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i know chuck hagel. i think he has good experience in regards to public service. he understands the issues of the defense department. i think he will be a great secretary of defense. >> chuck hagel faced tough questioning during his senate confirmation hearing last week. they could vote on the nomination as early as thursday. >> it's been a busy weekend for secretary of state john kerry. he was only sworn in on friday and he has always assured israelly leaders that they will continue to the partnership. kerry also managed to find time to have lunch with the secretary of state under president reagan. >> very busy. there are flurries falling through the skies. >> can we expect more of the same ton >> how is the weather shaping on this super bowl sunday? >> light snow out there right now. as we move into early tomorrow morning it won't cause any problems. the skies are clearing out and the showers we had are quickly lifting off to the north and the east. it is 34 degrees at reagan national airport. the wind
i know chuck hagel. i think he has good experience in regards to public service. he understands the issues of the defense department. i think he will be a great secretary of defense. >> chuck hagel faced tough questioning during his senate confirmation hearing last week. they could vote on the nomination as early as thursday. >> it's been a busy weekend for secretary of state john kerry. he was only sworn in on friday and he has always assured israelly leaders that they will...
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imagine chuck hagel. can he relate to them and try to do something about it. we understand who understands the troops. >> he is he not being confirmed to be secretary of veterans affairs. i think that would actually be probably a position he would be very well suited to. but, this is a man who his statement that he voted for the war in iraq, then he said the surge would be the biggest foreign policy blunder our military, our country had ever seen. that obviously was not the case. all he had to say was that was a mistake. i shouldn't have said that i was i don't think. he couldn't really bring himself to say that clearly. >> not perfect. the best choice, courageous man the troops will love him. >> congressman, it's great to he see you and the president certainly is very confident of that confirmation. and plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. jill biden joining the list of people who think more gun control will not mean fewer pass shootings. another american embassy attacked by terrorists. we have details. weep hope you stay tuned for re. >>
imagine chuck hagel. can he relate to them and try to do something about it. we understand who understands the troops. >> he is he not being confirmed to be secretary of veterans affairs. i think that would actually be probably a position he would be very well suited to. but, this is a man who his statement that he voted for the war in iraq, then he said the surge would be the biggest foreign policy blunder our military, our country had ever seen. that obviously was not the case. all he...
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. >> republicans threatened to hold up chuck hagel's nomination this week over benghazi. next week there is more hearings. leon panetta, the outgoing secretary is going to testify there. secretary clinton already testified there. is there anything that can be done at this point by secretary panetta or anybody else to convince republicans that it wasn't a secret ghost ship to turkey or some other conspiracy? is there any way to fact chilly disprove what they want to believe about it? >> this is going to go down as one of the right-wing myths about america that are never going to die there are a certain core that are going to keep banging the drum. at some point perhaps someone will nudge the people who are pursuing this say we actually have real problems in north africa there is an intervention happening in mali. there are substantive issues on the table. stop talking about this. but it is so hermetically sealed in that world. >> yeah. >> that i don't see them getting out of it, other than someone making some sort of crass political judgment that this is no longer bringing
. >> republicans threatened to hold up chuck hagel's nomination this week over benghazi. next week there is more hearings. leon panetta, the outgoing secretary is going to testify there. secretary clinton already testified there. is there anything that can be done at this point by secretary panetta or anybody else to convince republicans that it wasn't a secret ghost ship to turkey or some other conspiracy? is there any way to fact chilly disprove what they want to believe about it?...
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chuck hagel is not that guy. >> hang on with me. we got much more to do. >>> four brave americans, here's where we're going. fouf four brave americans killed in benghazi. but incredibly, yesterday's senate intelligence committee hearings revealed for the first time that president obama as awol. hillary clinton also awol during that horrible benghazi night. and the secretary of defense, he apparently did nothing. his hands were tied. even the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, he apparently did nothing. his hands were tied. i don't know the story. the stuff that leaked out from panetta's testimony yesterday was incredible. we will talk about it after this short break. i'm lorenzo. i work for 47 different companies. well, technically i work for one. that company, the united states postal service®, works for thousands of home businesses. because at usps.com®, you can pay, print and have your packages picked up for free. i can even drop off free boxes. i wear a lot of hats. well, technically i wear one. the u.s. postal service®,
chuck hagel is not that guy. >> hang on with me. we got much more to do. >>> four brave americans, here's where we're going. fouf four brave americans killed in benghazi. but incredibly, yesterday's senate intelligence committee hearings revealed for the first time that president obama as awol. hillary clinton also awol during that horrible benghazi night. and the secretary of defense, he apparently did nothing. his hands were tied. even the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff,...
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but here we are with chuck hagel and still the hold around this process. what is likely to happen next? are we going to see another rare question pop up directed at hagel? >> well, the one thing that you don't want to do with presidential nominee is let it hang out there for several days. but i think the committee will probably vote sometime next week. it most likely will be a party line vote. and then you're in a situation where the senate is in recess the week after that so i don't expect any full senate action until after they get back. >> how much of this can i guess be pointed at chuck hagel and his performance? did he just make perhaps a difficult situation even worse? that's what a lot of conservative columnists are saying. inept, disorganized and that if there's a deliberate attempt to obstruct, he added fuel to the fire with that performance. >> his confirmation hearing did not go well. he came off as halting, tentative, ill prepared. and there was a lot of fodder for his opponents. plus he was up against the fact that there are about, oh, i'd say
but here we are with chuck hagel and still the hold around this process. what is likely to happen next? are we going to see another rare question pop up directed at hagel? >> well, the one thing that you don't want to do with presidential nominee is let it hang out there for several days. but i think the committee will probably vote sometime next week. it most likely will be a party line vote. and then you're in a situation where the senate is in recess the week after that so i don't...
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what about chuck hagel? chuck, you had leon panetta on "meet the press" this weekend, and martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs. let me ask both of you what kind of power that chuck hagel would have, assuming he gets confirmed? how does he move into this period where he has to really fight for resources from congress and also deal within the cabinet, deal with the white house? snoo that seems to be the real question now. it's not if he is going to get confirmed. the political votes are there. another republican came on board over the weekend. roy blunt will vote no, but not filibuster. the votes are there to confirm him. that is not the question. the question is he going to have the political swagger, if you will, that secretary of defense immediate to both operate inside the pentagon, and that's -- you heard robert gibbs, former press secretary yesterday say it was a little disconcerting watching him give those answers. they made a strategic decision not to have a debate with those republican sen
what about chuck hagel? chuck, you had leon panetta on "meet the press" this weekend, and martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs. let me ask both of you what kind of power that chuck hagel would have, assuming he gets confirmed? how does he move into this period where he has to really fight for resources from congress and also deal within the cabinet, deal with the white house? snoo that seems to be the real question now. it's not if he is going to get confirmed. the...
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now over chuck hagel, this could be the next battle. it's a big question of whether republicans are really spoiling for that kind of unprecedented fight here. >> but we have john mccain. any other prominent republicans who may not vote for him? >> you've got about i'd say a dozen republicans right now who have come out and said they are actively opposing his nomination. none of them have said so far whether they would actually be willing to block it. the republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell has held off right now on saying if that's an option for them. it's a big question. i think you've seen a lot of other nominees get blocked. certainly richard cordray, the appointee for the consumer financial protection bureau is not going anywhere right now. but the opposition to this kind of appointment of chuck hagel, someone who i think a lot of voters throughout the country weren't as aware of like someone like susan rice ace different question here. >> speaking of john mccain moving on to you, alice, let's take a look at these tense
now over chuck hagel, this could be the next battle. it's a big question of whether republicans are really spoiling for that kind of unprecedented fight here. >> but we have john mccain. any other prominent republicans who may not vote for him? >> you've got about i'd say a dozen republicans right now who have come out and said they are actively opposing his nomination. none of them have said so far whether they would actually be willing to block it. the republican leader in the...
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>> well, i'm sure chuck hagel thinks no good deed goes unpunished. i only met him once. he was kind enough to give me an interview. i think he regrets using that term, jewish lobby. i don't use it because it's inexact to a degree and politics is about addition, not subtraction, and people stopped listening when you use those kinds of terms. but the reality is chuck hagel simply acknowledged something that few senators and representatives are prepared to acknowledge. that the pro-israeli community has a powerful voice in the united states. not a veto. he just expressed himself in a way that few senators and representatives do, and i admire that clarity and that honesty. i think he may not be a defense intellectual. he may not have the broad management experience of some of our previous secretaries of defense, but he's not an ideologue. he will give the president sober advice about how, when, and why we should project our military force abroad. >> and as a former enlisted man, he will be able to relate to the tens of thousands of young troops who are being demobilized over
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them have their war in iran and that is their problem with chuck hagel. >> i think our brains are connected, i say that again joy, you're so smart. because i agree with your words as you speak them, they're brilliant. i'm serious. i'm patronizing, i think you're unbelievable. i keep hearing my brain talk. thank you, joy reed. thank you david cornyn. >>> coming up, it's hoil's last d hillary clinton's last day in the state department. the first day of the rest of her life, it may well include a run for president in 2016. there are plenty of democrats waiting for her to say i do. >>> also, men behaving badly. we showed you john mccain and lindsay graham's rude behavior. and they're hardly alone. the lesson that many of the gop seem to have learned from 2012 is, if you want to stop losing elections, just keep doing exactly what you've been doing. >>> the documentary "the gatekeepers" a fascinating look at the members of israel's security agency. the interesting job of dealing with palestinians in the occupied territories. they're a lot more like barack obama than like benjamin netanyahu. >>> l
them have their war in iran and that is their problem with chuck hagel. >> i think our brains are connected, i say that again joy, you're so smart. because i agree with your words as you speak them, they're brilliant. i'm serious. i'm patronizing, i think you're unbelievable. i keep hearing my brain talk. thank you, joy reed. thank you david cornyn. >>> coming up, it's hoil's last d hillary clinton's last day in the state department. the first day of the rest of her life, it may...